White Dove vs Thunderbird

White DoveBenjamin MoorevsThunderbirdPPGΔE 42.0Very different colors

Where White Dove belongs to Benjamin Moore's range, Thunderbird is a PPG color. Hue-wise, White Dove belongs to the beige-greige family and Thunderbird to the greige-grey family. White Dove (LRV 83) reflects noticeably more light than Thunderbird (LRV 21), a difference of 62 points that becomes especially apparent in rooms with limited natural light. With a ΔE of 42.0, the contrast is hard to miss. These aren't variations on a theme — they're two different answers to the same question. Below you'll find 6 real-room photo comparisons where both colors appear side by side, plus 5 simulated room previews.

White Dove vs Thunderbird in Real Spaces

6 real rooms side by side. Seeing White Dove and Thunderbird in actual rooms makes the difference concrete; browse the spaces below to get a feel for how each color lives on a wall.

Living Room

In a living room, color works across both daylight and evening light — the same wall can read very differently at noon and at 8pm. The LRV gap is large enough that White Dove will make the room feel meaningfully brighter than Thunderbird would.

White DoveOC-17 living room fireplace paint

@pageau613painting

ThunderbirdA contemporary living room painted in Thunderbird

@simplywalldecor

Bedroom

The context that matters most in a bedroom is how a color reads under a bedside lamp at night, not under noon daylight. White Dove reflects noticeably more light off the walls, making the space read more open than Thunderbird.

White DoveOC-17 bedroom paint

@pageau613painting

ThunderbirdA art deco bedroom painted in Thunderbird

@simplywalldecor

Kitchen

In a kitchen, colors are seen under bright task lighting that amplifies undertones — what reads neutral elsewhere can show its hand here. White Dove reflects noticeably more light off the walls, making the space read more open than Thunderbird.

White DoveOC-17 kitchen color

@casaloladesigns

ThunderbirdThunderbird — industrial kitchen

@simplywalldecor

Dining Room

A dining room lit by a dimmed pendant or candles is one of the most forgiving environments for paint — warm light softens almost everything. White Dove returns significantly more light to the room — in a smaller or darker space, that difference in perceived brightness is hard to miss.

White DoveBenjamin Moore White Dove Dining Room

@summerblaiseinteriors

ThunderbirdThunderbird paint in a art deco dining room

@simplywalldecor

Bathroom

Bathrooms are one of the few spaces where you're genuinely enclosed by the paint color, which makes the choice between these two more consequential. White Dove reflects noticeably more light off the walls, making the space read more open than Thunderbird.

White DoveWhite Dove bathroom inspiration

@hollis_farmhouse

ThunderbirdThunderbird — moody bathroom

@simplywalldecor

House

Seen across an entire facade, subtle tonal differences become pronounced. What reads as nearly the same on a chip often reads as clearly different at scale. White Dove reflects noticeably more light off the walls, making the space read more open than Thunderbird.

White DoveOC-17 house exterior paint

@kristenmyersco

ThunderbirdThunderbird color — coastal house inspiration

@simplywalldecor

Color Details

White Dove
Benjamin Moore · OC-17
Hex#EFEEE5
LRV83.2
BrandBenjamin Moore
NumberOC-17
UndertoneYellow
TemperatureWarm
BrightnessLight
Thunderbird
PPG · PPG1021-5
Hex#8c7b6c
LRV21.0
BrandPPG
NumberPPG1021-5
Undertone
Temperature
BrightnessDark

White Dove vs Thunderbird Simulated Comparison

5 simulated room previews — drag the slider on each to see White Dove on one side and Thunderbird on the other.

Bathroom
Bedroom
House
Kitchen Cabinets
Living Room

Digital color is approximate. These simulations are generated from the manufacturer's hex values and overlaid on grayscale room photos — your screen's calibration, brightness, and viewing angle all affect how they render. Before committing to either color, test physical samples in your own space under the light you actually live with.

More White Dove comparisons

See how White Dove stacks up against other well-photographed colors across different brands and tones.

Ammonite
White Dove vs Ammonite
White Dove
Ammonite
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83
Farrow & Ball
Ammonite
LRV 69

At LRV 83 vs 69, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Iron Ore
White Dove vs Iron Ore
White Dove
Iron Ore
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

White Dove reflects far more light (LRV 83 vs 6), opening up a space where Iron Ore encloses it.

Purbeck Stone
White Dove vs Purbeck Stone
White Dove
Purbeck Stone
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

At LRV 83 vs 52, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Evergreen Fog
White Dove vs Evergreen Fog
White Dove
Evergreen Fog
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

At LRV 83 vs 30, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Mizzle
White Dove vs Mizzle
White Dove
Mizzle
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83
Farrow & Ball
Mizzle
LRV 52

White Dove reflects far more light (LRV 83 vs 52), opening up a space where Mizzle encloses it.

Agreeable Gray
White Dove vs Agreeable Gray
White Dove
Agreeable Gray
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

At LRV 83 vs 60, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Accessible Beige
White Dove vs Accessible Beige
White Dove
Accessible Beige
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

White Dove reflects far more light (LRV 83 vs 58), opening up a space where Accessible Beige encloses it.

Denim Drift
White Dove vs Denim Drift
White Dove
Denim Drift
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

White Dove reflects far more light (LRV 83 vs 27), opening up a space where Denim Drift encloses it.

French Gray
White Dove vs French Gray
White Dove
French Gray
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

At LRV 83 vs 43, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Naval
White Dove vs Naval
White Dove
Naval
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83
Sherwin-Williams
Naval
LRV 4

At LRV 83 vs 4, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Tranquil Dawn
White Dove vs Tranquil Dawn
White Dove
Tranquil Dawn
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

White Dove reflects far more light (LRV 83 vs 55), opening up a space where Tranquil Dawn encloses it.

Bancha
White Dove vs Bancha
White Dove
Bancha
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83
Farrow & Ball
Bancha
LRV 13

White Dove reflects far more light (LRV 83 vs 13), opening up a space where Bancha encloses it.

Hardwick White
White Dove vs Hardwick White
White Dove
Hardwick White
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

White Dove reflects far more light (LRV 83 vs 44), opening up a space where Hardwick White encloses it.

Pure White
White Dove vs Pure White
White Dove
Pure White
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

Their light reflectance is nearly identical (LRV 84 vs 83), so neither reads brighter in a room.

Artichoke
White Dove vs Artichoke
White Dove
Artichoke
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83
Sherwin-Williams
Artichoke
LRV 21

At LRV 83 vs 21, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Balboa Mist
Balboa Mist vs White Dove
Balboa Mist
White Dove
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

White Dove reflects far more light (LRV 83 vs 66), opening up a space where Balboa Mist encloses it.

Shoji White
White Dove vs Shoji White
White Dove
Shoji White
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

White Dove reads slightly lighter (LRV 83 vs 74), a gap that shows most in low-lit rooms.

Snowbound
White Dove vs Snowbound
White Dove
Snowbound
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83
Sherwin-Williams
Snowbound
LRV 83

With LRVs of 83 and 83, the two reflect almost the same amount of light.

Pewter Green
White Dove vs Pewter Green
White Dove
Pewter Green
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

White Dove reflects far more light (LRV 83 vs 12), opening up a space where Pewter Green encloses it.

Skimming Stone
White Dove vs Skimming Stone
White Dove
Skimming Stone
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

White Dove reflects far more light (LRV 83 vs 68), opening up a space where Skimming Stone encloses it.

Dix Blue
White Dove vs Dix Blue
White Dove
Dix Blue
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83
Farrow & Ball
Dix Blue
LRV 41

At LRV 83 vs 41, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Calamine
White Dove vs Calamine
White Dove
Calamine
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83
Farrow & Ball
Calamine
LRV 68

At LRV 83 vs 68, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Treron
White Dove vs Treron
White Dove
Treron
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83
Farrow & Ball
Treron
LRV 25

At LRV 83 vs 25, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Vintage Vogue
Vintage Vogue vs White Dove
Vintage Vogue
White Dove
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

White Dove reflects far more light (LRV 83 vs 12), opening up a space where Vintage Vogue encloses it.

Saybrook Sage
Saybrook Sage vs White Dove
Saybrook Sage
White Dove
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

White Dove reflects far more light (LRV 83 vs 45), opening up a space where Saybrook Sage encloses it.

Pale Green
White Dove vs Pale Green
White Dove
Pale Green
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83
RAL ClassicClassic
Pale Green
LRV 31

At LRV 83 vs 31, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Pine Needle
White Dove vs Pine Needle
White Dove
Pine Needle
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

At LRV 83 vs 7, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Cement grey
White Dove vs Cement grey
White Dove
Cement grey
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83
RAL ClassicClassic
Cement grey
LRV 24

At LRV 83 vs 24, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Guilford Green
Guilford Green vs White Dove
Guilford Green
White Dove
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

At LRV 83 vs 57, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Just Walnut
White Dove vs Just Walnut
White Dove
Just Walnut
Benjamin Moore
White Dove
OC-17 · LRV 83

A 11-point LRV gap (83 vs 72) makes White Dove the marginally brighter of the two.