Lasting Thoughts vs Pigeon

Lasting ThoughtsCloverdale PaintvsPigeonFarrow & BallΔE 33.0Very different colors

Where Lasting Thoughts belongs to Cloverdale Paint's range, Pigeon is a Farrow & Ball color. Lasting Thoughts reads as blue, while Pigeon reads as grey — two distinct hue families, not close cousins. They have nearly identical light reflectance values (51 vs 51), so they'll read as similarly Medium in most lighting conditions. With a ΔE of 33.0, the contrast is hard to miss. These aren't variations on a theme — they're two different answers to the same question. Below you'll find 3 real-room photo comparisons where both colors appear side by side, plus 5 simulated room previews.

Lasting Thoughts vs Pigeon in Real Spaces

3 real rooms side by side. Seeing Lasting Thoughts and Pigeon in actual rooms makes the difference concrete; browse the spaces below to get a feel for how each color lives on a wall.

Living Room

In a living room, color works across both daylight and evening light — the same wall can read very differently at noon and at 8pm. Side by side like this, the difference is easy to read — which is exactly why seeing them in a real space is more useful than comparing chips.

Lasting ThoughtsLasting Thoughts 0659 by Cloverdale Paint — Living Room

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PigeonFarrow and Ball Pigeon living room inspiration

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Bedroom

The context that matters most in a bedroom is how a color reads under a bedside lamp at night, not under noon daylight. The distinction reads clearly at room scale, making the choice between them concrete.

Lasting ThoughtsLasting Thoughts 0659 by Cloverdale Paint — Bedroom

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PigeonPigeon bedroom

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Bathroom

Bathrooms are one of the few spaces where you're genuinely enclosed by the paint color, which makes the choice between these two more consequential. The distinction reads clearly at room scale, making the choice between them concrete.

Lasting ThoughtsLasting Thoughts 0659 by Cloverdale Paint — Bathroom

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Color Details

Lasting Thoughts
Cloverdale Paint · 0659
LRV51.0
BrandCloverdale Paint
Number0659
Undertone
Temperature
BrightnessMedium
Pigeon
Farrow & Ball · 25
LRV50.6
BrandFarrow & Ball
Number25
Undertone
TemperatureNeutral
BrightnessMedium

Lasting Thoughts vs Pigeon Simulated Comparison

5 simulated room previews — drag the slider on each to see Lasting Thoughts on one side and Pigeon on the other.

Bathroom
Bedroom
House
Kitchen Cabinets
Living Room

Digital color is approximate. These simulations are generated from the manufacturer's hex values and overlaid on grayscale room photos — your screen's calibration, brightness, and viewing angle all affect how they render. Before committing to either color, test physical samples in your own space under the light you actually live with.

More Lasting Thoughts comparisons

See how Lasting Thoughts stacks up against other well-photographed colors across different brands and tones.

Lasting Thoughts
Ammonite
Lasting Thoughts
Ammonite
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51
Farrow & Ball
Ammonite
LRV 69

Ammonite reflects far more light (LRV 69 vs 51), opening up a space where Lasting Thoughts encloses it.

White Dove
Lasting Thoughts
White Dove
Lasting Thoughts
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

At LRV 83 vs 51, White Dove is decisively the brighter choice.

Lasting Thoughts
Iron Ore
Lasting Thoughts
Iron Ore
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

At LRV 51 vs 6, Lasting Thoughts is decisively the brighter choice.

Lasting Thoughts
Purbeck Stone
Lasting Thoughts
Purbeck Stone
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

With LRVs of 52 and 51, the two reflect almost the same amount of light.

Lasting Thoughts
Evergreen Fog
Lasting Thoughts
Evergreen Fog
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

Lasting Thoughts reflects far more light (LRV 51 vs 30), opening up a space where Evergreen Fog encloses it.

Lasting Thoughts
Mizzle
Lasting Thoughts
Mizzle
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51
Farrow & Ball
Mizzle
LRV 52

Their light reflectance is nearly identical (LRV 52 vs 51), so neither reads brighter in a room.

Lasting Thoughts
Agreeable Gray
Lasting Thoughts
Agreeable Gray
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

Agreeable Gray reads slightly lighter (LRV 60 vs 51), a gap that shows most in low-lit rooms.

Lasting Thoughts
Accessible Beige
Lasting Thoughts
Accessible Beige
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

A 7-point LRV gap (58 vs 51) makes Accessible Beige the marginally brighter of the two.

Lasting Thoughts
Denim Drift
Lasting Thoughts
Denim Drift
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

At LRV 51 vs 27, Lasting Thoughts is decisively the brighter choice.

Lasting Thoughts
French Gray
Lasting Thoughts
French Gray
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

Lasting Thoughts reads slightly lighter (LRV 51 vs 43), a gap that shows most in low-lit rooms.

Lasting Thoughts
Naval
Lasting Thoughts
Naval
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51
Sherwin-Williams
Naval
LRV 4

Lasting Thoughts reflects far more light (LRV 51 vs 4), opening up a space where Naval encloses it.

Lasting Thoughts
Tranquil Dawn
Lasting Thoughts
Tranquil Dawn
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

A 4-point LRV gap (55 vs 51) makes Tranquil Dawn the marginally brighter of the two.

Lasting Thoughts
Bancha
Lasting Thoughts
Bancha
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51
Farrow & Ball
Bancha
LRV 13

At LRV 51 vs 13, Lasting Thoughts is decisively the brighter choice.

Lasting Thoughts
Hardwick White
Lasting Thoughts
Hardwick White
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

A 7-point LRV gap (51 vs 44) makes Lasting Thoughts the marginally brighter of the two.

Lasting Thoughts
Pure White
Lasting Thoughts
Pure White
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

Pure White reflects far more light (LRV 84 vs 51), opening up a space where Lasting Thoughts encloses it.

Lasting Thoughts
Artichoke
Lasting Thoughts
Artichoke
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51
Sherwin-Williams
Artichoke
LRV 21

Lasting Thoughts reflects far more light (LRV 51 vs 21), opening up a space where Artichoke encloses it.

Balboa Mist
Lasting Thoughts
Balboa Mist
Lasting Thoughts
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

At LRV 66 vs 51, Balboa Mist is decisively the brighter choice.

Lasting Thoughts
Shoji White
Lasting Thoughts
Shoji White
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

At LRV 74 vs 51, Shoji White is decisively the brighter choice.

Lasting Thoughts
Snowbound
Lasting Thoughts
Snowbound
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51
Sherwin-Williams
Snowbound
LRV 83

At LRV 83 vs 51, Snowbound is decisively the brighter choice.

Lasting Thoughts
Pewter Green
Lasting Thoughts
Pewter Green
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

At LRV 51 vs 12, Lasting Thoughts is decisively the brighter choice.

Lasting Thoughts
Duck Green
Lasting Thoughts
Duck Green
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

At LRV 51 vs 8, Lasting Thoughts is decisively the brighter choice.

Lasting Thoughts
Skimming Stone
Lasting Thoughts
Skimming Stone
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

At LRV 68 vs 51, Skimming Stone is decisively the brighter choice.

Lasting Thoughts
Dix Blue
Lasting Thoughts
Dix Blue
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51
Farrow & Ball
Dix Blue
LRV 41

Lasting Thoughts reads slightly lighter (LRV 51 vs 41), a gap that shows most in low-lit rooms.

Lasting Thoughts
Hicks' Blue
Lasting Thoughts
Hicks' Blue

Lasting Thoughts vs Hicks' Blue

Lasting Thoughts
Slaked Lime Deep
Lasting Thoughts
Slaked Lime Deep

Lasting Thoughts vs Slaked Lime Deep

Vintage Vogue
Lasting Thoughts
Vintage Vogue
Lasting Thoughts
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

At LRV 51 vs 12, Lasting Thoughts is decisively the brighter choice.

Lasting Thoughts
Livid
Lasting Thoughts
Livid
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

Lasting Thoughts vs Livid

Saybrook Sage
Lasting Thoughts
Saybrook Sage
Lasting Thoughts
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

A 6-point LRV gap (51 vs 45) makes Lasting Thoughts the marginally brighter of the two.

Lasting Thoughts
Pale Green
Lasting Thoughts
Pale Green
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51
RAL ClassicClassic
Pale Green
LRV 31

Lasting Thoughts reflects far more light (LRV 51 vs 31), opening up a space where Pale Green encloses it.

Lasting Thoughts
Pine Needle
Lasting Thoughts
Pine Needle
Cloverdale Paint
Lasting Thoughts
0659 · LRV 51

Lasting Thoughts reflects far more light (LRV 51 vs 7), opening up a space where Pine Needle encloses it.